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Is that too bad of a word am I gonna get banned now? Dag? Don't ban me, please.


written by MycroftHomlz  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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Oughta be in *politics


written by MarineGunrock  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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Moving post to Politics Talk - requested by MarineGunrock.


written by siftbot  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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I agree with the political tag, but seriously the man is just a douche bag.

He cuts people off when he interviews them. His reporting is intended to be inflammatory and one-sided. He is a douche bag.


written by MycroftHomlz  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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That's pretty much what all "reporting" is nowadays. Heaven forbid someone gets to say their thoughts.


written by MarineGunrock  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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Yeah he can be a bit of a douche...but I think that kind of comes with the job of going after bigger douches. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

Stossel's piece on health care in America was pretty good for the most part. It wasn't supportive of government controlled health care but it also wasn't supportive of the current system either except to say that the insurance companies aren't as ruthless as Moore made them out to be.

I think the main point he was trying to make was that as long there is a third party be it insurance companies or the government is in control that costs will continue to go up and service will go down.


written by Grimm  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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I am legitimately interested in how well health care operates in other parts of the modern world. Anyone know of any polls that have asked an international crowd how they feel about their health care system?

The whole Cuba thing was a distracting and poorly planned part of the movie, only set in there to grab attention. Who knows what Cuba is doing.


written by bamdrew  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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Well, the spark that set the fire was the fact that he lied about contacting a woman interviewed in his report. Apparently, he never contacted her, which to me is as bad as the reporter from the New Republic(I think his name was Glass) who made up stories. Blatantly making shit up is just as bad as copying other peoples work, I think.

*Opps this is wrong- thanks Grimm (Stossel Lover )*


written by MycroftHomlz  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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I hate it when democrats do it and I hate it when republicans do it. Being a Douche Bag, on the order of John Stossel, requires effort and crosses political affiliations.


written by MycroftHomlz  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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mycofthomls wrote:
Well, the spark that set the fire was the fact that he lied about contacting a woman interviewed in his report.
Maybe I'm missing something but I think your wrong here. I glanced over his article and did not see any mention that he had contacted her. In her letter it looks like she was expressing her anger that he did not contact her for details on her husbands situation instead of just going by what was shown in the movie.


written by Grimm  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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BTW...if your still pissed at him you can watch this...
http://www.videosift.com/video/John-Stossel-Slapped-by-Wrestler-Language-NSFW


written by Grimm  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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Concision in the media...nothing new but still annoying.


written by rottenseed  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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Good call.

Yeah, I misread it. The bit that upset me was:

"Her husband died of kidney cancer after their health-insurance company denied payment for a bone-marrow transplant that might have saved his life. Ms. Pierce's rage is palpable as she repeats the word her insurers used in response to her husband's request. "They denied it," she sneers. "Said it was 'experimental.'""

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118964470258225901.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

So. He quotes this lady, and then never contacts her about it.

Even though I misread it, it doesn't change the fact that he puts a lot of effort into being a douche bag.

I don't think any of his pieces are balanced. He interviews Moore and then selectively edits their interview to make him sound like a jackass. You can't call that fair, and it certainly isn't journalism. If he presented his arguments as solely exhibiting a single opinion then I wouldn't have an issue. My beef with him is when he says he is presenting the facts and the whole story.

A great example is his piece on Global Warming, which regardless of my scientific opinion about it I thought it was complete hogwash.


written by MycroftHomlz  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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bamdrew-

I think it hard to really get an unbiased opinion, but I think there are international health studies conducted by the UN that might give you perspective. I would look on Wikipedia on the Sicko page and see if there are any good links. You can probably find some nice references.


written by MycroftHomlz  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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I also think, Bill O'reilly, and Keith Olbermann are douchebags.

I think Olbermann might not actually always be a douche bag but sometimes when he is interviewing republicans he is a total douche.


written by MycroftHomlz  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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"He interviews Moore and then selectively edits their interview to make him sound like a jackass."

Example please.


written by Grimm  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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*ban....
teeeehee
hey...All you Public Heath Care screamers?? What would be 100 times better than socialized-type medicine?
Policing the intake, of the poison that causes MOST of the things the current heath care system has been burdened with, since the beast began growing heads:

Stop poisoning yer bodies with food, and keep privatized health care.

Allow citizen-only access to the current pay-as-you-go method, and allow the "mostly" illegal members of the country (u.s) access to some in-country, not regulated by the AMA or other such entities, health-care provided by volunteers, drop-out med students who will work for food, or others who practice out of their vehicles or homes??

Funny thing is, you would be able to give everyone access, for free, if people were not ignorant of the evil they do their own systems, the disease and cancer, they bring upon themselves......The true culprits of disease, and the need for a re-vamping of a broken system, are advertisers, pharmaceutical interests, and fast-food empires, allowed to build more death-stands, every minute, of every day.....oh...forgot to mention the sad excuse for public education, and people's own, selfish desire.


written by choggie  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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MycroftHomlz cannot be banned because star accounts are immune to banination - ignoring ban request by choggie.


written by siftbot  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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Grimm, do you think that interview with Micheal Moore was shown in it's entirety? I don't think it is possible for Moore to say that little.

My point is that John Stossel(and you can throw Micheal Moore in there, too), and people like him, represent a problem with American media and the American discourse. Instead of attempting a fair and equal handed debate people scream at the top of their lungs, or cherry pick facts and present them as the truth.

That annoys me. Hence, John Stossel is a Douche Bag.


written by MycroftHomlz  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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I am sick and tired of people treating people with different political opinions like they have Ebola.

And it drives me CRAZY that the President and Congress play tit-for-tat instead of making decisions that are good for America.


written by MycroftHomlz  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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mycrofthomlz wrote:
Grimm, do you think that interview with Micheal Moore was shown in it's entirety? I don't think it is possible for Moore to say that little.
Of course it wasn't...no interview by any journalist or "documentary" director is going to be shown uncut and unedited. About the only exception would be a LIVE interview. But you didn't accuse Stossel of just editing the interview. You said "He interviews Moore and then selectively edits their interview to make him sound like a jackass." I'm sorry...but your arguments against Stossel don't seem to be based on to many things other then your dislike of the man. Some of the things you have pointed out about him have turned up to not be true. You said in the article he claimed to have talked to this woman when he had not. You attacked him heavily for this. The truth was he never claimed to have talked to this woman. You then claimed that he edited his interview with Micheal More to make Moore sound like a jackass. When asked for an example you had none.

You are of course entitled to your opinion of this man. But with these false claims and accusations I don't think you are convincing anyone that they should share that opinion.


written by Grimm  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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I think maybe you are taking my only half serious comments a little too seriously. I think "attacked him heavily for this" might be an overstatement. I didn't drone about one thing(I think I made one comment) I said a couple things that I found annoying.

I think he does selectively edit the video, but I will watch it again.

What I dislike with his style of journalism is that (although I know it is not intended to) he does not present both sides of an argument. He seems to intend to be inflammatory, and he neglects to mention pertinent facts about experts that he interviews(that I didn't mention before, but I will do it now). For example, that I know of, John Christy was the only scientist on his panel that published data showing that global warming doesn't happen. Did Stossel mention the fact that in a subsequent paper Chirsty's finding were called into question and they had to publish a correction? This is from Wikipedia: "A February 2000 story about organic vegetables on 20/20 included statements by Stossel that tests had shown that neither organic nor conventional produce samples contained any pesticide residue, and that organic food was more likely to be contaminated by E. coli bacteria" which turned out to be completely false. But what I really don't like is that I don't think inflammatory interviews are what America needs right now when we talk about things that matter.

Instead, people should have real conversations about these issues and discuss them completely. Giving each side a fair place to present their points.

Perhaps, it is the way I read it, but maybe we should tone down our discussion. Other than that it is fun to talk about these things.

MH


written by MycroftHomlz  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stossel


written by MycroftHomlz  | 1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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