Congrats on the bronze.. and them abs.

We'll see. When he accidentally dies from a rogue soldier, we'll see.

It's funny.
When Obama allegedly does something, then anti-obama people are outraged - OUTRAGED.
But when Bush allegedly did something, you better believe the anti-bush people were outraged - OUTRAGED.

You may be right. Looking at his comment history is not particularly encouraging though. I've considered the ban before, but I've never felt I had enough grounds to do it apart from a few incidents; the latest was just the last straw.

He's welcome to appeal to dag or lucky if he feels so inclined - that in itself would show an interest in being part of the community instead of just a youtube douchebag.

Then what is it?

You haven't brought any citations either, so Hello Pot, I'm called Kettle.

I don't think you can look at it as either-or. I'm not sure you can even simplify down to single issues like "wages" because there will be outliers on either side.

I think on average (if I can use such a term) we still have a male supremacy in many if not most areas.

I think gender is important and our physical bodies dictate many of our abilities or potential abilities; I don't think it's possible to be entirely gender neutral on most issues. Women should have less winnings in Tennis, because they play less and they play less well. Hell, they could just abolish women's and men's tennis and only have a joint competition - then it certainly would favor it fairly. It would however mean that the female to male ratio would be 1:20 all of a sudden, since the male body is built stronger in general.

How it should be approached I don't really know. It won't be easy to change the people's minds in a positive way. Too many feminist proponents think they're Rosa Parks and feel completely justified in debasing and downright embarrassing behavior like the girl at the end of the video, the PyCon incident, "Elevatorgate" etc. I don't have a problem with them standing up for themselves at all - everyone should be free to protect their space, but they should also respect others' space (now I'm talking PyCon particularly).

Right now the male/female discussion has very little scientific base (at least as far as I know), we only have anecdotal stuff. It would be interesting to have studies going in neutrally and examining the basic differences in women, so we have some basis to argue from.

Some things are relatively simple - women can have babies, men can't - this means time off from work, etc etc. Right now employers consider this when hiring and shouldn't they?

Other things are grabbed out of thin air like: men focus on single things better, while women multitask better. I'd like to see some data for that and for other differences between the sexes.

Gorillaman seems to want to gender/sex out of the discussion entirely; I'm not sure that's really fair or helpful since we are different.

I suppose I would like people to not be thought of as a mass of blue and red, but rather as individuals and judged on the individual skills. Like say, compare ME and Serena Williams - there's no possible argument that I would beat her in tennis (or most any physical activity) ever. She should clearly be valued higher than me in those areas.

Sports solve the issue by going around it - making guy sports and girl sports. That's one solution, but segregating society is not cool. Imagine making guy workplaces and girl workplaces. Not really cool, is it? So, how do we find jobs, places in society that appeals to the individual? I would imagine we figure out the requirements of job and judge applicants on their merits - some women would beat all men in some jobs, and vice versa.

I don't think society is trying to keep women down, at least not consciously. Consider if the present position is caused natural evolution of society or if its patriarchal rule enforcing it? If you look at the hyper-muslim countries, I'd say it was the patriarchal rule, but over here? I'm not sure.

Ramble ramble.

Because its end-goal is female supremacy. Where it is right now happens to be in line with "equalism" because there are still areas where men and women are not equal (wages, repesentation in government etc), but when that balance is achieved the end goal is not to stop there.

In that respect there are a lot of ideas that can be considered oppressive though, Christianity, for one.

My main problem I guess with Femmenism is actually its proponents which often have an air of up-their-own-assedness and "i'm better than you" attitude which always infuriates me. Present company excluded - I value calm, rational discussions.

I'm annoyed by the word, because the loudmouth-femmenists have taken over with all the "Femme First" and all that bullshit.

Judge people on their merits; hiring people should have nothing to do with their sex, just their skills.

Joking is in many areas oppressive of men in politically correct places like Codes of Conduct. No one thinks to put in "don't make jokes about men's something or other" because men in general don't really care; there are however often things protecting women - which in my mind displays a lack of understanding on the organizers part, because they need to protect women from the big bad guys out there; their white armor polished and trusted steed standing ready.

Women can by and large take care of themselves just like guys can. Just like white people can and black people can.

I wouldn't look down on you if you did. But then, I'm me.

Thanks for the power point, mate. Why do I deserve such an honor?

*talks and great

*ban

This is hilarious. Fucking tools.

*quality *doublepromote