Even Fox News is Fed Up With Romney on his "Loophole" Cuts

From Thinkprogress:

"The Romney campaign has so far refused to clarify which tax deductions and loopholes it would eliminate in order to make its huge proposed tax cut for the rich revenue neutral. Despite repeated requests, the campaign and candidate have refused to budge, content to say that the tax plan “can’t be scored” due to its lack of detail.

And even Fox News has apparently had it with the campaign’s consistent dodging of this question, as Fox’s Gregg Jarrett repeatedly asked Romney policy director Lanhee Chen about it during an interview on Friday".
bareboards2says...

I gotta say... I am starting to see Rmoney's point, after all this repetition.

One of the problems in our society is that we all want OURS. We want the other guy to pay, or the other guy to have their "entitlements" cut. But if it is US paying, or US having our "entitlements" cut, we get all buttsore.

There is a lot of chatter about the tax system needing to be overhauled. That is really what Rmoney is saying -- let's overhaul the tax system, and let's do it together through negotiation.

But dang, his message is so buried in Wonk Speak.

Off topic -- is anyone else getting annoyed at the young ethnic faces that Rmoney is trotting out for these interviews? Not a single angry old white guy in sight... It smacks of not-very-good manipulation. And especially on Fox News -- that kind of diversity isn't going to help him.

messengersays...

I'm assuming you're not being sarcastic, and giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not trolling. You really believe Romney wants to negotiate? Romney? That's not what he does. Obama's the negotiator. I don't think his message is "buried." He's coming for the middle class' money, but he can't say that out loud. Here's the actual independent numbers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfJTI3N1vOs

It's not that we just want OURS (we do, but that's not the problem). What's happening here is that no matter how Romney cuts the pie, at best, the rich will get huge whopping tax breaks, and the middle class will see a tax increase. This isn't about OURS and entitlement. This is about mice voting in the cats.>> ^bareboards2:

I gotta say... I am starting to see Rmoney's point, after all this repetition.
One of the problems in our society is that we all want OURS. We want the other guy to pay, or the other guy to have their "entitlements" cut. But if it is US paying, or US having our "entitlements" cut, we get all buttsore.
There is a lot of chatter about the tax system needing to be overhauled. That is really what Rmoney is saying -- let's overhaul the tax system, and let's do it together through negotiation.
But dang, his message is so buried in Wonk Speak.

bareboards2says...

@messenger, I get that. Although I don't think that Rmoney is only about the wealthy. It's hard to tell with Rmoney, since he is the King of Flip Flopping -- what the hell does he really believe and want to do? I honestly don't know. If he gets into office (GOD FORBID, INCLUDING THE MORMON VERSION OF GOD PLEASE), I don't know how hard he would push for lower tax rates for the wealthy. He is such a flip flopper, I can see him letting that go.

The goal of reforming our tax code is a laudable one. I personally think it is impossible -- there are too many vested interests in the pieces where "I got mine" and nobody is going to want to let "theirs" go.

However, my original point remains -- if Rmoney's goal is to reform the tax code, which people have been wanting to do for decades, HE ISN'T MAKING IT CLEAR.

I am starting to feel sorry for the man. He has wanted to be President for so long. To be running such a poor poor campaign, unable to make a single smart step... I feel for him as a fellow struggling human being.

And relieved that he is so piss poor at it.

messengersays...

Now, that perspective/wording makes sense. IF his goal is tax reform, then he's doing a horrible job.

The thing is, if tax reform were his priority, I think he would put together a tax reform roadmap first, not start off with his plan to distribute as yet uncalculated benefits (20% is just a number out of thin air). If this is just a bad campaign, it's the worst I've heard of. Given that he's a politician, and I think the best financed politician ever, it's more likely that he's got a hidden agenda, and those who can read the wind are figuring it out, testing their theories, and coming up positive.

Sincerely, if he's all about tax reform, then by now he should have identified at least ONE loophole that he could find general agreement on as a good candidate to close. No? If not, then on what basis does he think tax reform is necessary? You can't realize the floor needs sweeping unless you have seen seen some dirt. So why not mention just one?

What has he ever done or said that gives you the impression he may care about anything other than the wealthy? He can't even identify with the middle class. He thinks his wife owning two Cadillacs and being friends with Nascar owners will get him in with the working class. He's really that disconnected. It's just blind faith you're going on, and in politics, that doesn't meet with a high success rate when compared with analysing behaviour.

No, the reason he isn't making it clear is that this is a tax gift to the wealthy first (including himself), and later he's going to finance that gift from the pockets of the middle class and poor.>> ^bareboards2:

I get that. Although I don't think that Rmoney is only about the wealthy. It's hard to tell with Rmoney, since he is the King of Flip Flopping -- what the hell does he really believe and want to do? I honestly don't know. If he gets into office (GOD FORBID, INCLUDING THE MORMON VERSION OF GOD PLEASE), I don't know how hard he would push for lower tax rates for the wealthy. He is such a flip flopper, I can see him letting that go.
The goal of reforming our tax code is a laudable one. I personally think it is impossible -- there are too many vested interests in the pieces where "I got mine" and nobody is going to want to let "theirs" go.
However, my original point remains -- if Rmoney's goal is to reform the tax code, which people have been wanting to do for decades, HE ISN'T MAKING IT CLEAR.
I am starting to feel sorry for the man. He has wanted to be President for so long. To be running such a poor poor campaign, unable to make a single smart step... I feel for him as a fellow struggling human being.
And relieved that he is so piss poor at it.

messengersays...

You mean, he passed Obamacare in MA? No, I'm sure he's done stuff, but considering what a flip-flop he is, nothing he did in the past is useful to determine what he's like now except for what he's still doing now. He has done an about-face on so many things, the biggest being the healthcare mandate.>> ^bareboards2:

@messenger, well, he did pass Romneycare in MA. That helped a lot of people. He's not just one thing.
As to the rest of it, I had just finished reading this:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/09/11/mitt-romney
-in-a-nutshell
right before I read your post above.
Somehow, to me, that link supports what you are saying, in a mushy non-specific way.

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