No thank you.

Though Ron Paul and a fire hydrant are both better candidates than the Kenyan, foolish Paul quotes like this:

"Government should never be able to do anything you can't do"

mean he hasn't got a prayer atheist invocation of the Periodic Table of Elements of being elected.

He seemed so rational and on point in the repub debates last time. But when I looked a little deeper, he came off as a kook, with some really out-there ideas.

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He seemed so rational and on point in the repub debates last time. But when I looked a little deeper, he came off as a kook, with some really out-there ideas.


Like anti-torture, anti-corporatism, anti-war, anti-locking up people involved with wikileaks, etc.? Yeah, I agree.

I liked those ideas, but I still don't think I would be confortable living in his ideal america. I'd be sitting in the back of greyhound, and using separate bathrooms at Walmart.

I'd like him as a vice president, not president.

>> ^longde:

I liked those ideas, but I still don't think I would be confortable living in his ideal america. I'd be sitting in the back of greyhound, and using separate bathrooms at Walmart.


That's ridiculous. No way. Segregation would never happen again. Never. Even if you repealed every law in the land.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Though Ron Paul and a fire hydrant are both better candidates than the Kenyan, foolish Paul quotes like this:
"Government should never be able to do anything you can't do"
mean he hasn't got a prayer atheist invocation of the Periodic Table of Elements of being elected.


OK QM, because you fascinate me, I demand to know who you'll be supporting.

I'll be glad if Paul runs. Not because I think he'd be a good President, but because him being in the race will help divide the Republican voter base and make it easier to re-elect Obama.

Oh, and by the way, I sincerely doubt he's thinking about doing this to try to win anyways. I expect him to just bilk his donors this time around, just like he did last time. Instead of legitimately using campaign donations for ads and organizers to try to win the primary, he'll just collect the cash, pay some of it to his family for "consulting", and keep the rest to fund C4L, while lapping up any free media people toss his way.

For example, can anyone link me a single paid TV ad for Ron Paul from the 2008 campaign?

Even in 2011 you can walk into a restaurant or public establishment and not get served due to race.

With the number of racist kooks that have come out of the woodwork since Obama's election, it's not hard to believe that given the opportunity, a segregationist belt could emerge in this country again.

I think many libertarians don't care about that because, since it is a white majority country and most libertarians are white, they won't have to live with the negative consequences of a libertarian policy that removed anti-segregationist regulation. >> ^blankfist:

>> ^longde:
I liked those ideas, but I still don't think I would be confortable living in his ideal america. I'd be sitting in the back of greyhound, and using separate bathrooms at Walmart.

That's ridiculous. No way. Segregation would never happen again. Never. Even if you repealed every law in the land.

>> ^longde:

Even in 2011 you can walk into a restaurant or public establishment and not get served due to race.
With the number of racist kooks that have come out of the woodwork since Obama's election, it's not hard to believe that given the opportunity, a segregationist belt could emerge in this country again.
I think many libertarians don't care about that because, since it is a white majority country and most libertarians are white, they won't have to live with the negative consequences of a libertarian policy that removed anti-segregationist regulation. >> ^blankfist:
>> ^longde:
I liked those ideas, but I still don't think I would be confortable living in his ideal america. I'd be sitting in the back of greyhound, and using separate bathrooms at Walmart.

That's ridiculous. No way. Segregation would never happen again. Never. Even if you repealed every law in the land.



I'm talking about segregation in terms of public services and places, not refusal of private services. Think more Rosa Parks and the segregated school systems from the 50s and 60s. I think the majority of people believe that segregation is bad, so you won't see it among most private companies.

So, it is hard to believe that a "segregationist belt" would emerge if given the opportunity. And it's a copout to say that the majority of people in any party are white, because the US population is so. Means nothing and it's a straw man argument. I could say that the majority of Democrats are white, but that's just statistical numbers.

Also, just because you're white doesn't make you a racist.

It's not a strawman argument, it's a fact; no argument needed. And I didn't say that all whites or even a majority are racists. I do think that most Americans of any color are apathetic, and would rather watch (and catch on phone video) a person suffering distress, than help. Apathy is all you need, not outright hostility, but today there is plenty of both.

Sure, you and I can make the distinction between reasonable public and private services. But what about these state politicians who are passing birther bills (various states), trying to privatize their health care systems (LA), and trying to nullify federal laws they don't like (various states). Not to mention the tea-idiots in Washington. I don't trust these fools to get those nuances, and I thank god every day that the federalists won out way-back-when. Because as much as some of these people say the federal government is too big and intrusive, they don't care if at the state/local level, things are run by fiat.

Since they don't get nuance, I get very nervous when on one hand, some politicians want everything privatized, then others say that private entities can serve who they want. A nice one-two punch.

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>> ^longde:
Even in 2011 you can walk into a restaurant or public establishment and not get served due to race.
With the number of racist kooks that have come out of the woodwork since Obama's election, it's not hard to believe that given the opportunity, a segregationist belt could emerge in this country again.
I think many libertarians don't care about that because, since it is a white majority country and most libertarians are white, they won't have to live with the negative consequences of a libertarian policy that removed anti-segregationist regulation. >> ^blankfist:
>> ^longde:
I liked those ideas, but I still don't think I would be confortable living in his ideal america. I'd be sitting in the back of greyhound, and using separate bathrooms at Walmart.

That's ridiculous. No way. Segregation would never happen again. Never. Even if you repealed every law in the land.


I'm talking about segregation in terms of public services and places, not refusal of private services. Think more Rosa Parks and the segregated school systems from the 50s and 60s. I think the majority of people believe that segregation is bad, so you won't see it among most private companies.
So, it is hard to believe that a "segregationist belt" would emerge if given the opportunity. And it's a copout to say that the majority of people in any party are white, because the US population is so. Means nothing and it's a straw man argument. I could say that the majority of Democrats are white, but that's just statistical numbers.
Also, just because you're white doesn't make you a racist.

two words

morbid
curiousity

Re-elect Obama.-OK, then what? Wait for the system in the U.S. to become a sinkhole filled with who ever fits some media-birthed bill of goods sold to people who vote 4 whatever and 4 who ever they think they are told would be better, worse, according to a formula of
television pundits/alternative news sources * one's own twisted gauge of ethics or morality filtered through some convoluted, programmed, world-view??

Democracy, republic??-The best examples have only lasted 250 years-The U.S. is overdue for a real mess. Voting for presidents be a damaged exercise.

Stop watching television and become fluent in Cantonese.